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Food Safety Talk 268: Add A Catchy Header

Added on August 3, 2022 by Ben Chapman.

This is the Live From IAFP Special, where Don and Ben get together in person for their yearly event with listeners from around the world. The show starts with a discussion of the cool things they've seen (and some of the stuff they have missed) at the IAFP Annual Meeting. They talk about an USDA-FSIS's announcement about making Salmonella an adulterant in frozen breaded poultry and what it's impacts may be. They do a bunch of follow-up on Pink Sauce and flour. The guys are then joined by listeners Deep State, Deep In The Heart of Texas, Deep New England, Doxxed Robert and Veronica Illstopatthat to chat about things like play dough, COVID in food settings, Daily Harvest, hyper realistic cakes and the challenges of food safety on TV.

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Food Safety Talk 267: Tara.Freezer.Olaf

Added on July 26, 2022 by Ben Chapman.

The episode begins on Ben's fascination with the Mac OS dark mode and Don's email rules. Ben tells Don about his food safety happenings while on vacation, including using a massive turkey thermometer. The guys talk about complications around information sharing between investigators and businesses during a current ongoing Cyclospora outbreak (with unknown source). The conversation goes to freeze dried blueberries with lead and the safety of skittles. The show ends on a deep dive on updates on Daily Harvest and Big Olaf.

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Food Safety Talk 266: Can The Rancid Hurt You?

Added on July 10, 2022 by Ben Chapman.

The show starts with Don's smoke detectors going off (and listen to the after show for how that got resolved) and Ben yet again relying on Don to be his therapist. The guys talk about stuff they are watching including some historical documentaries on politics and music and gardening shows. The food safety content kicks off with a deep dive on an outbreak of listeriosis linked to a Florida ice cream company, Big Olaf. The conversation focuses on the odd communication from the company and Florida officials, and then the guys do some googling (never read the comments). The discussion then goes to meal kits, specifically Daily Harvest and Revive Superfoods which both are experiencing recalls and may have a common ingredient. The show ends on a few quick hits on frozen butter, slow cookers and rat lung worm.

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Food Safety Talk 265: Pantheon Of Papers

Added on July 1, 2022 by Ben Chapman.

The guys start this episode talking about TikTok dances, and that is Don's founding member of Ithacon. The conversation goes on to Daily Harvest supplied lentil and leek crumble-linked illnesses. They do a deep dive on what might be the cause, communications and compare the event with Lucky Charms. The guys talk about the upcoming IAFP meeting and a few questions that Ben received about refrigeration in developing countries (with some turns-outs). The episode ends with some listener feedback and a discussion of the difference between young, old, pregnant and immunocompromised (YOPI) populations and highly susceptible populations.

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Food Safety Talk 264: Live From AFDO

Added on June 16, 2022 by Ben Chapman.

Don and Ben head to Phoenix (Glendale really) for a road trip and record this episode in front of about 200 attendees of the 126th Association of Food and Drug Officials' Annual Educational Conference. The guys talk about a local (to Glendale) restaurant and their famous salt wall. They go through a list of 25 foods that need to be treated differently (or don't) when held out of refrigeration. They talk about the weird emails they get, gig economy food apps and explain how the answer questions on Risky or Not. Then they open the floor mic up to audience questions and talk about freeze-dried meats, oysters from someone's waterfront property and old grenadine.

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Food Safety Talk 263: Faraday Cage For The Voice

Added on June 1, 2022 by Ben Chapman.

The episode starts with a discussion of a couple of documentaries that Ben recently watched and Don lends his recommendation of the Time Traveler's Wife (the series, not the film). Ben talks about his recent running experience and then the guys really get into food safety. They do a deep dive of the recent Jif peanut butter-linked Salmonellosis outbreak. They bring back quick game of ABCDCFDA+ around the outbreak and recall information. The conversation goes to Abbott Labs and infant formula (and all the ripple effects of Coronabacter sakazakii). The guys talk about Lucky Charms and the utility of crowdsourced outbreak info. The show ends on a discussion about the challenges of being a political appointee during a pandemic.

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Food Safety Talk 262: Settle Down Sparky

Added on May 23, 2022 by Ben Chapman.

The episode starts with some follow-up discussion about Lucky Charms and FDA's investigation into the cereal's connection unknown illnesses. The guys talk about crisis communication responses with a call back to benzene in Perrier. Don and Ben do some listener feed back from deep chewing gum about talc and pathogens (and baseball cards). The conversation goes to a frozen pizza-linked pathogenic E. coli outbreak in France with a deep dive on manufacturers cooking instructions. The guys talk about low moisture foods and pathogen concerns and the physics of chicken washing. The show ends on a quick discussion of bus drivers getting sick.

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Food Safety Talk 261: TEAMS Is Dog Poop

Added on May 11, 2022 by Ben Chapman.

Don and Ben start the episode on Ben's basketball and Beastie Boys experiences. The guys go on to Ben's Pie in the Sky homework and talk about how health inspectors are portrayed in popular culture. The conversation goes to soap recalls and follow-up that Canada has a nice centralized place to find all archived recalls (food and other stuff). The guys do a deep dive on FDA's investigation into unknown illnesses potentially linked to Lucky Charms. They go back to an ongoing topic about Cronobacter and infant formula and talk about recall modernization and CDC's office of outbreak forecasting. The episode ends on an unofficial segment of ABCFDACDC+ review of Milltown Borough's lead in water communication pamphlet.

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Food Safety Talk 260: Salad Bar Adjacent

Added on April 20, 2022 by Ben Chapman.

Don and Ben start the episode talking about podcasting background sounds like birds and stuff they are watching.The conversation goes to a new paper that Ben's group had published on the impacts (and the turns outs) of consumers washing poultry before cooking, where the pathogens seem to go and what we tell people about cleaning and sanitizing their sinks. The conversation goes to reducing paper waste and the food safety issues related to reusable containers coming into a restaurant. The guys talk about the best way to communicate oyster-linked Norovirus outbreaks and recalls to restaurants (and how much of a signal to noise problem there could be. The discussion goes to enoki mushrooms and ongoing Listeria issues and ends on a conversation of Helena Bottemiller Evich's Politico's piece about FDA's challenges and Mike Taylor’s follow-up op-ed.

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Food Safety Talk 259: No Bill, You Pay Us

Added on April 4, 2022 by Ben Chapman.

The guys are joined by friend of the show and food safety lawyer Bill Marler, for his second time on the show (but first in 8 years). The group talks about food safety advocacy, how the civil legal system supports change within the industry and regulatory world and how Bill's relationship with Dave Theno shaped his outlook and view on effecting change within the food safety world. The three talk in depth about a current Cronobacter sakazakii outbreak linked to infant formula and the challenges of civil and criminal cases, and the unique aspect of this pathogen not being reportable/notiofiable. The discussion goes to the importance and power of linking food safety to those who have been victims of foodborne illness. The show ends with a discussion on why Bill is working to address Listeria illnesses in South Africa.

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Food Safety Talk 258: Vegan Ponytail Extensions

Added on March 24, 2022 by Ben Chapman.

Don and Ben start the episode talking about all the things they are watching and listening to including (obviously) British streaming shows (and not obviously) Canadian indie rock radio. The food safety really gets started with a deep dive on reality star Heidi Montag's bison heart eating habits. This leads the guys into an internet tailspin going from Paul Saidino, to Joseph Mercola to, uh, Joe Rogan. It is quite the trip. The conversation goes to Cronobacter in infant formula and the issues related to illnesses when they aren't on the reportable/notifiable lists. The guys end the episode on a bunch of topics including multi-author government research papers, onions at Costco and the definition of TCS foods (and whether all cut vegetables should be under temperature control).

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Food Safety Talk 257: Pitmaster General

Added on March 16, 2022 by Ben Chapman.

Don and Ben start the episode talking about fitness, weight loss and the benefit of tracking things. They shift gears to some feedback and in-depth discussion on a recent New England Journal of Medicine article about an individual's meningococcal infection that led to sepsis that alluded to leftovers as the causative factor (and there's a turns out on this one). The guys talk about process authorities and the greatness of the Association for Food and Drug Officials (AFDO). The conversation goes to cell-based and plant-based meats and a restaurant accused of adding THC into their food. Don and Ben speak about an outbreak of Cronobacter sakazakii that has been linked to infant formula and end the show on real-time follow up to Noronerd about power outage food safety.

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Food Safety Talk 256: Phage 36

Added on March 2, 2022 by Ben Chapman.

In this super mega pod Don and Ben are joined by another special guest, but this time it's Don who has to do the guessing. Larry Goodridge from the University of Guelph, one of Ben's oldest food safety friends joins the show. The three talk about Canadians abroad (and patriotism during the Olympics), other Canadian food safety friends and of course, the Tragically Hip. The conversation goes to a Canadian salmonellosis outbreak linked to frozen corn (and all the confusing communication around it). As all three have interest in the food safety impacts of the pandemic, they talk about recalls, waste water and food as fomites. The big topic of the show is about racial inequality in academics, research and higher education. Larry talks through his experiences and everyone chats about what they are doing to address the big problem.

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Food Safety Talk 255: Crunchy Granola Hippie Town

Added on February 13, 2022 by Ben Chapman.

This episode starts with a the always hilarious uncomfortable bit of 20 questions Ben guessing the identity of a special guest. This episode's special guest is Jess Tang, who Don knows from Discord. The conversation starts with Jess' experience as a coffee roaster at a 3rd wave coffeehouse (and all things coffee). The group then switches to a deep dive in dumpster diving to support the unhoused, freeganism and where food safety intersects with these worlds. The chat ends on everyone’s perspectives on emerging BIPOC food businesses and the complications (and inequities) of regulating traditional foods.

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Food Safety Talk 254: Bridge-Tunnel-Bridge-Tunnel

Added on January 26, 2022 by Ben Chapman.

Don and Ben are joined by a special and initially secret guest, Internet friend Casey Liss. After an always entertaining 20 questions (which makes Ben uncomfortable every time) the three talk about a bunch of food safety topics that Casey has been thinking about. The conversation ranges from risks at quick service restaurants, ordering hamburgers, butter at room temperature, leftover pizza and what each of them looks for when assessing the safety of a restaurant. After a deep dive on a bunch of Richmond area restaurant inspection reports, the discussion shifts to chicken washing to thermometers to BBQ.

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Food Safety Talk 253: The Two Michelles

Added on January 13, 2022 by Ben Chapman.

The show starts off with Ben asking Don's permission to podcast cheat on him (again) and then the guys talk about Britbox and their current favorite streaming shows. They do a deep dive on an article from a recipe site that says there are 8 foods that should never be reheated (spoiler alert: science was not part of the article). This article leads to conversations on chicken and egg food safety, nitrates, nitrites and mushroom bacteria. The discussion goes to a current leafy green outbreak that has yet to lead to a recall (but it did lead to a note about check your freezers from FDA). The guys end the show on a bunch of feedback related to wedding leftovers in New Hampshire; fermented soy foods; a journalist's risk assessment approach for raw cookie dough; aerosols near sewage plants; and, cold pressed raw milk.

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Food Safety Talk 252: Porta Potty Moved Thrice

Added on December 22, 2021 by Ben Chapman.

The episode starts with Ben talking about the nuances of liquor and beer in Ontario and how he got into food safety (these things are connected). The guys talk about a question Ben got about supply chain interruptions throughout the pandemic and food safety impacts. The talk goes to FDA's proposed rule on agricultural water used for produce production. They do some follow-up on infant botulism in honey (and other similar syrups) and a historic deep dive on cooling time/temperatures. The show ends on Risky or Not follow-up on fish spoilage and carrot juice botulism.

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Food Safety Talk 251: Too Many Brooms

Added on December 8, 2021 by Ben Chapman.

In this very special episode, Don introduces Ben to a mystery guest, Matt Collins and they play 20 questions unravelling the relationship. Ben relatively quickly gets to the Boy Scouts, sort of gets to their collective reintroduction through podcasting but never gets all the way to Matt's career as a chef. The three guys talk through a variety of food safety, COVID and operational things related to Matt's business and the culinary world. After Matt leaves, the guys talk about what to do with your refrigerator if you discover it had recalled food in it (spoiler alert: it does not include a flame thrower or explosives). The show ends on some Thanksgiving talk and Ben's discovery of plastic in his raspberries.

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Food Safety Talk 250: Anti-Jamming Capacity

Added on November 24, 2021 by Ben Chapman.

Don and Ben start the show with a little bit of turkey and Thanksgiving talk, particularly deconstructing the techniques and safety of cooking whole turkey using sous vide. Ben tells his story about recent travels to Pittsburgh (for hockey) and DC (to shoot a food safety documentary). With a quick detour to the Talking Heads and the Demmes, the guys talk about some food fraud, potential glove guests and get into some listener feedback. The show ends with some talk about baking soda, pesticide testing strips, fresh produce and fridge temperatures.

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Food Safety Talk 249: The Disbarring Of LD Sledge

Added on November 17, 2021 by Ben Chapman.

This episode is a bit of a do-over. After a Zoom recording mishap where the real episode 249 happened, the guys actually re-record this one. The episode starts with a quick rehash of the unrecorded episode intro, a discussion of Ben's porta potty and titles. Ben and Don talk through a very instructive FDA warning letter related to a cashew cheese-linked outbreak. The discussion went to shared-use kitchens and the food safety complications that can happpen and small company recalls. They did a bunch of follow up on flour, eggs and cake luster. Don and Ben end the episode with a discussion about a potential guest.

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