The guys start the episode talking about their respective treadmills and then get into some stuff they are watching. They do some follow-up about the great episode on botulism with Jane Talkington. The conversation shifts to talk about the federal government's transition and the impacts on the food safety system. Don and Ben talk about the historical challenges of outbreak investigations with lots of agencies involved as well as the public health investigation course Ben co-created with partners at NC State, FDA and NASDA. They end the show playing a food safety myth game based on some online articles.

Show notes so you can follow along at home:

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