The guys are on a roll. They are very happy that they are releasing new episodes consistently. The show opens with a discussion of topics like Boom, Boom Goes the Dynamite, Dyn-o-mite, Beastie Boys, William Shatner, Yankee Hotel Foxtrot, The Avett Brothers, The Sadies, and The Best of Little Feat.

They quickly transition with the Maytag Raw Milk Blue Cheese recall by Whole Foods. Ben says that there is a no way for customers to tell if milk was pasteurized; they must read the label, and he notes the absence of the word pasteurized makes the difference, not the presence of the word raw. The discussion moves to the literature and a research paper on the survival of E. coli O157:H7 in Gouda and Cheddar aged for 60 days. Don emphasizes that the rate of pathogen decrease and not the days of survival which is important. Ben asked Don if it is safe to consume raw milk. “It depends, and it is complicated” he replies. The conversation turns to an article by David Gumpert “Is OPDC Bumping Scalability Limits, to Detriment of Raw Milk Nationally”. The guys note that exposure is less when a business is small. Don goes off a tangent, mentioning two articles about the brain and self-government. Ben responds to Don by recommending another on risk communication, which suggest that it is hard to change people beliefs.

From there the podcast digresses into Wordy Rappinghood and Kanye West Facts before turning to the boiling of water as affected by atmospheric pressure, and altitude in response to a question from Linda Harris. The show ends with a discussion of GFSI audits and poor food safety culture.

The guys begin the show by recommending two albums by Willie Nelson: Yesterday’s Wine and Half Nelson. The conversation moves quickly to the E. coli O157: H7 outbreak related to the chicken salad distributed by Costco. The celery and onion mix, provided by Taylor Farms, was the ingredient contaminated with the pathogen. The scope of the recall was large because it affected so many large retailers. Ben contrasted this recall with the Salmonella outbreak linked to Hershey chocolate in 2006. In that particular case, the supplier of soy lecithin was not revealed by the Canadian Food Inspection agency.

From there the talk turns to an FDA warning letter to Gold State Nut which cites the company president for handling nuts after touching his bearded dragon. A Salmonella outbreak in 2014 was linked to bearded dragons and resulting 166 illnesses.

The show switches gears when Don shares a hypothetical food safety regulatory scenario with Ben and asks how it would be regulated in North Carolina and New Jersey. Ben notes it would be regulated via a clarification memo. This leads to a discussion of home rule. Ben mentions outbreaks in Alabama and Maryland, linked to similar events. The podcast ends with talking about the movies Legal Eagles and Star Wars.

Ben and Don conclude by encouraging the listeners to rate Food Safety Talk in iTunes.

Food Safety Talk 108: Hyperbole and Fire Ants

Food Safety Talk 107: Univalve Mallets

Food Safety Talk 106: Mouth spit

Food Safety Talk 105: I'm Level 8, John

Food Safety Talk 103: Like Wolverine

Food Safety Talk 102: Flour Power

Food Safety Talk 101: The Dalmatian episode

Food Safety Talk 100: No buns in the bathroom

Food Safety Talk 99: Are you familiar with the Haugh Unit?

Food Safety Talk 98: Klouty with a chance of meatballs

Food Safety Talk 97: One Maritime province at a time

Food Safety Talk 96: Boom goes the dynamite

Food Safety Talk 95: What’s the right number of logs?

Food Safety Talk 94: Bagpiping hot

Food Safety Talk 93: Does your dog poop outside?

Food Safety Talk 92: So we can't use that rice?

Food Safety Talk 91: Chipotle: The musical

Food Safety Talk 90: What if it's a service dragon?

Food Safety Talk 89: On a scale from 1 to 11